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Message 466 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011 | 19:18:38 UTC
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Today arrived my Bundle and the bulk order by Saenger, but... 0.0 uS/h::

Stderr output
<core_client_version>6.10.56</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
Debug: enabled; sample time: 20, repeats: 8
Radac $Rev: 260 $ starting...
error finding 'radioactiveathome.org GRS': The specified device was not found
Found sensor v2.01
8018,0,2011-11-2 18:56:20,1,f,0.000000
28002,0,2011-11-2 18:56:40,2,n,0.125000
47984,0,2011-11-2 18:57:0,3,n,0.250000
67968,0,2011-11-2 18:57:20,4,n,0.375000
87953,0,2011-11-2 18:57:40,5,n,0.500000
107937,0,2011-11-2 18:58:0,6,n,0.625000
128139,0,2011-11-2 18:58:20,7,n,0.750000
148125,0,2011-11-2 18:58:41,8,n,0.875000
Debug: trickle sent
WARNING: No readings from GM tube !
Debug: number of USB errors read: 0 write: 0
Done - calling boinc_finish()
19:59:01 (9592): called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
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Do I need a new counter tube?

Cables are okay, Voltage is transformed ! and transferred to the tube? :(
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Message 467 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011 | 19:36:31 UTC - in response to Message 466.

You read assembly manual carefully?

For your safety the sensor is supplied with the voltage converter taken out from his socket.
To run the sensor, you must unscrew the display and take it out. Under the display in a black sponge a controller of the voltage converter is placed. It should be put down in the socket on the right side in such a position, that a small dot (circular depression) located on the chassis of controller found on the right side, bottom (with the letters IC3). Then mount the display back.

Remove the black sponge from goldpin connector.

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Message 468 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011 | 19:52:15 UTC
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Disconnect the sensor, then the tube from the sensor, connect the sensor again and then try to make a brief short circuit on the tube socket, the buzzer should beep (if switched on) and you should get a reading on the LCD(after a while).

Be very careful when doing this, do not touch the board and avoid touching "+" connector. In theory you can hold the "-" freely, but it is always better to use insulated pliers.

Btw, did you put the 34063 in the socket ?
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Message 471 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011 | 22:33:15 UTC

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Yes, 34063 is in the socket.

I have now shorted the sensor lines.

The same behavior as with sensor (high-frequency chirping, but nothing out of the buzzer): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECmYSGl5OcE

I can not say whether there operating voltage is applied, because today I have no measuring device available.


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Message 472 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011 | 22:49:52 UTC - in response to Message 471.
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Do not short them like that (won't damage anything but it's not an useful test). Take one and touch the other a few times, you should hear beeps.

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Message 473 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011 | 22:59:16 UTC
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I have instructed misunderstood:
So here again spontaneity shorting (which is also happens when the geiger tube triggers):

Nothing with geigertube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w6AZbZQIGY

The Buzzer works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yS2MeKLIDo but the sensor crash (Display?!)

Switching on and off again (in windows), after connect and shorting? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dneOevzHnrc * Debug(R@h-Mode) ... is probably due to the initialization.
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Message 474 - Posted: 2 Nov 2011 | 23:05:29 UTC
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So the high voltage works, try to clean the tube caps on both ends, make sure there's a good contact.

The screen going on and off is the hardware debug, you have debug flag enabled in preferences. Unplug the sensor for a while after doing tests, then plug it back.

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Message 477 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011 | 18:34:30 UTC
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Contact is very good ;)

My test results (see video):
194 Volt on STS 5 und
403 Volt on C6
257 Volt between R23 and R22
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwhgU5Qvq7w
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Message 478 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011 | 18:49:20 UTC
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According the "German Data Sheet" of the SBM-20, the:

Recommended operating voltage is 400 Volts,
Working voltage range 350-475 Volts and
Initial voltage 260-320 Volts...
http://geigernet.origo.ethz.ch/system/files/SBM-20_GER1.pdf

The voltage (194 Volts) is too low!?!?!
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Message 480 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011 | 19:18:10 UTC - in response to Message 478.

The voltage is fine. Probably your multimeter has ~10MOhms resistance on the DC range you used for measures. It's about the same as the resistance of the 400V series resistors (470k +2x 4.7M), so you created a voltage divider which divides the voltage roughly by 2. To measure voltage directly on the tube socket you need a multimeter with very high input impedance, even a 100MOhms one reads ~360V.
Most of the cheap multimeters read ~40V at the connectors.

Do you have a soldering iron ? You could try resoldering the brass caps on the tube. Normally it's a thing to avoid, but since the tube doesn't work anyway, it won't make it worse.

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Message 481 - Posted: 3 Nov 2011 | 19:44:10 UTC

You're right :) It actually has an internal resistance 10MOhm! measurement error :(

I have tried it with my solderstation, but unfortunately without any success. :(


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