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Radioactive@Home is currently hosted on VPS server. | |
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Radioactive@Home ist aktuell auf einem VPS-Server (Virtueller private Server) gehostet. | |
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How much money do you need? Are you going to buy a new server or rent from a hosting service? If you will rent then how much will the dedicated server cost per month? | |
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Because some people already (positive) answer for our request, I have rent dedicated server already. Now I'm waiting for run it by hosting company. | |
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That's interesting! Maybe we discuss about storing public available copy of results database on its space? How fast connection is available? Can you send me some more info by PM, please? ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace | |
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I can not believe that this project needs such high demands for the equipment. | |
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I can not believe that this project needs such high demands for the equipment. It's not that simply... Current database of results for only 60 detectors is bigger than 1GiB of data. This data are constantly updated and processed in system. Additionally, MySQL all the time generate tasks, BOINC server all the time communicate with client machines, assign points, export data, generate tasks etc. Most task must be done in real time, which require... very quick access to HDD and memory. Current VPS system is fast enough for 60 detectors but sometimes load on it growth dramatically and server lost communication with clients. Also VPS as virtual system have very slow access to hard drive, depend on other systems on server. I don't see any way to store data on participants computers as this solution is not reliable enough and don't give possibility to display data in real time on our web server. Also we share results database for everybody and everybody can download it - this generate 1GiB of traffic each time when somebody do it... for now. ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace | |
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Oh. Well you have come up with a headache from scratch. | |
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Measurements are done constantly and we store all data. | |
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My mother was a woman. | |
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Extending measure time give you better accuracy - that's time but: | |
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I agree with you if we were talking about counters SBT-10, si8bg who have sensitivity to 5 times higher. But the parameters are determined by a Geiger counter. And in this case it bad statistics (for example, think of the "own background = 1imp / s"). And detailed measurements of the base does not increase the accuracy and quality. Anyway you socialize with people who are working with radioactive materials and measurements - at the mention of the GMS-20, they just laughed at you. Yes it is a popular counter, but it is reliable, simple, and the test of time. But do not expect more from him. By the way if you really want to improve the accuracy and inexpensive to use the SBM-19 counter. price is the same. ____________ | |
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Current database of results for only 60 detectors is bigger than 1GiB of data. This data are constantly updated and processed in system. To save space and bandwidth on the server you could try to compress and distribute the raw data via some p2p network. Some company like ASUS use these networks as optional way to distribute their software manuals and drivers, to reduce the bandwidth cost of their servers. So another contribution of some radioactive users ( that are also user of p2p networks like eMule or bit torrent ) could be hosting on their HDD (some or all) the historical raw data files of the project to provide many sources (and faster download) for the files. You just be careful to publish the p2p links to these files on the site because I read that some ISP run scripts that automatically delete all sites that hold mp3 file or p2p links without any capability to check if the pointed files are copyrighted or not. | |
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Sadly, a number of ISPs now utilise DPI and throttle p2p traffic making it very inefficient. Also, p2p has a bad name as so much contest *is* copyrighted material. I did once meet someone who downloaded 'legal' content via p2p. But only once :) Al. ____________ | |
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I'm using torrents for downloading and uploading linux distros and also I have two TOR servers, I'm probably really bad person for authorities ;) Anyway. I will try option with p2p sharing archive data, probably hosted on one of my VPS's. ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace | |
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Torrent is good that the archival materials can be placed in your home that provides low-cost content. Many companies today distribute any software through its P2P paid and free. So it's a good idea. | |
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Keeping 31 days of data in the database and providing the raw data in uncompressed format as described in this thread is unnecessary and it creates a huge demand for storage, database access time and bandwidth on the server. Why not clear the database daily and save the data in compressed files? People who want the data won't mind downloading compressed files. If you have a daily file for each continent (or region) it will allow users to choose only the data they want which would possibly decrease bandwidth. | |
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Indeed, what other data can be expected? I even became curious. Can you Show the world why you need to store redundant data does not have a scientific and practical value. That's just not talking about statistics. With regard to the SBM-20 is not justified. SBM-20 is not a proportional counter and can not provide the energy level of radiation as it makes a scintillation spectrometer. So we need time and level. Given its accuracy, and there are enough savings 5 minutes interval for the raw data and 30 minutes for the public on a map. | |
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First point: And by the way is a link to the schedule of activities, many forums do not understand. It should be a link to the image rather than PHP that gives the picture. It would be a good advertisement for your signature on many forums and websites. As creators of a great public attention. Yes, we do this as well, just don't our free (for project) time is limited, this is way I have started discussion on this thread. ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace | |
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I want to bring that to counter this rather average values every 5 minutes. | |
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I'm indicated as Polish but live in UK and my detector is pointed in UK ;) | |
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You seem to want to enter additional data in the user settings? | |
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Storing data for regions sounds interesting, but need some programming work to find a way how coordinates join with regions (I will try to find it out). I will speak with some cartographers to see if there is an automated way to do this. Somebody at Google maps would know. If not then the manual method is easy too. You don't have a lot of new detectors joining the project every day so all it needs is a program to check if a detector is associated with a country/region, if it is then check if the coordinates have changed. If the coordinates have changed by more than x minutes or the detector has not been assigned to a region then a human determines the country/region manually and enters the country/region. Then every day the program adds that detector's data to the appropriate archive. With such a method each device can even be associated with a city, town, county, province or state. I could program that and locate 20 detectors on the map per hour. If you ship 100 new detectors they could be handled manually in just 5 hours. So I'm just going to do it and maintain it. I'll show you when it's done. I'll get the data by scraping the HTML from the link in that other thread unless you have a better way. In the meantime please consider getting some advice from someone in the nuclear industry regarding sample rate and possibly changing to a different GM tube. ____________ | |
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Switching to another type of Geiger counter is simple. The closest is an inexpensive SBM-19. Having thus a better performance is comparable to the price of SBM-20. All other counters are much more expensive. | |
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Mica counters to use this excess. Of course they will see and alpha radionuclides in the drop rain but it greatly increases the cost of the sensor. That is exactly what I want... a detector with mica window on tube to detect alpha radionuclides so I can check the rain, the soil and my food. I don't trust my government to report that information correctly. Can I buy a tube with mica window and will it work with this project's version 1 detector (the version in the first shipment)? If necessary I can hack the detector and/or reprogram it to make it work. ____________ | |
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Basically, you can use "any" tube with our detector, just new tube have to work with 400V power and obviously, results sent to server (if you change to another tube) will be useless in Rad@H project (but you can mark temporary your sensor as 'experimental' in your profile and feel free to find other targets for your sensor). | |
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I have 2 of your detectors so one would use the standard tube and stay connected to this project, the other would use the special tube and not be connected or be designated experimental. | |
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If you can compile from source code and program the controller is sufficient to change the formula calculation. Go tell that to measure the contamination of food is necessary to increase the time up to 5 - 30 min, after measuring the background for 30 minutes. The formula for calculating the level that I apply: rad_v = (rad_count * (3600/tim)) / sen where: rad_v - The result of the level of radioactivity rad_count - The number of pulses during the measurement tim - the time of measurement seni - counter sensitivity In the scheme I have seen loose pins 2,3,11 which can be used as controls. Using an external battery to 5V so you get a portable meter for measuring free anywhere. Buttons should be used to zoom in and out of time measurement, configuration, and metering the background. ____________ | |
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