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zombie67 [MM] Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 28 Credit: 838,617 RAC: 0	Message 13 - Posted: 16 Jun 2011 \| 9:04:55 UTC
	Hello! Are there plans for a windows or OSX applications? ____________ Dublin, CA Team SETI.USA
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TJM Project administrator Project developer Project tester Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 291 Credit: 1,368,818 RAC: 59	Message 15 - Posted: 16 Jun 2011 \| 9:20:09 UTC
	Windows for sure, OSX - I don't know (yet). Also keep in mind that the app won't work without hardware sensor.
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Ageless Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 5 Credit: 0 RAC: 0	Message 16 - Posted: 16 Jun 2011 \| 9:29:39 UTC - in response to Message 15.
	Do we have to buy these sensors, or is there a (finite) amount of them that the project sends out to volunteers? ____________ Jord -BOINC FAQ Service
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 19 - Posted: 16 Jun 2011 \| 10:28:32 UTC - in response to Message 16.
	As I described in other topic, we will supply detectors soon. I can't tell now, when it happen, but we doing all best to prepare all stuff ready for volunteers ASAP. ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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Dingo Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 45 Credit: 404,862 RAC: 236	Message 23 - Posted: 17 Jun 2011 \| 0:57:55 UTC - in response to Message 19.
	All my PC's are either Linux or Windows 64 bit. I attached one PC and I got the message "17/06/2011 1:51:07 PM \| Radioactive@Home \| Message from server: Radioactivity Monitor is not available for Microsoft Windows running on an AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T CPU." Most projects send 32 bit apps to 64 bit computers and they work fine. Are you going to have a Windows 64 bit version ??
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 26 - Posted: 17 Jun 2011 \| 3:49:36 UTC - in response to Message 23.
	Yes, we would like publish Windows version in next few days. ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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[P3D] Crashtest Send message Joined: 23 Jun 11 Posts: 25 Credit: 1,902,229 RAC: 719	Message 46 - Posted: 23 Jun 2011 \| 8:00:07 UTC - in response to Message 26.
	If the sensor is connected via USB we need digital signed Windows drivers too !
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 47 - Posted: 23 Jun 2011 \| 14:53:33 UTC - in response to Message 46.
	No, the detector uses default windows HID driver. ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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TJM Project administrator Project developer Project tester Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 291 Credit: 1,368,818 RAC: 59	Message 60 - Posted: 4 Jul 2011 \| 5:41:02 UTC
	Today morning I released v1.01 for Windows, as expected it works without any drivers. So far it has been tested on Windows XP 32/64 and Windows 7. Doesn't work on Windows 2000 without service packs, however it might work on Win2k SP4. I do not plan to support anything below 2k SP4 anyway (the driver kit has no support for earlier systems).
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trigggl Send message Joined: 30 Jun 11 Posts: 2 Credit: 45 RAC: 0	Message 67 - Posted: 4 Jul 2011 \| 18:56:20 UTC - in response to Message 60.
	Without the benefit of a sensor, it appears the Windows app works on Wine in Linux. The only reason I know this is because I'm a Linux user crunching some 'Windows only' projects at the moment and decided to try it.
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KAMCOBILL Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 4 Credit: 7 RAC: 0	Message 70 - Posted: 4 Jul 2011 \| 23:31:02 UTC
	Hi all, I'm running Linux, Windows 7, Vista32/Vista64 & XP. All hosts are receiving this in WU Results: <core_client_version>6.10.56</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <stderr_txt> error finding DataStore: The specified device was not found licznik: 720 or <core_client_version>6.12.33</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <stderr_txt> error finding DataStore: The specified device was not found Or something of that effect. Looks like working but no sensor so can't be sure. It does say Validated. Good sign? Thanks Bill
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 72 - Posted: 5 Jul 2011 \| 14:38:05 UTC - in response to Message 70.
	Yes, applications works fine. This project need special detector, your hosts doesn't have any so application report "error finding DataStore: The specified device was not found". ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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KAMCOBILL Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 4 Credit: 7 RAC: 0	Message 81 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 5:20:41 UTC - in response to Message 72.
	Yes, applications works fine. This project need special detector, your hosts doesn't have any so application report "error finding DataStore: The specified device was not found". How soon will we be able to get them?
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 82 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 14:25:23 UTC - in response to Message 81.
	Currently prototypes works fine so we start looking for manufacturer for detectors. We have to also sort out some legal requirements to be able to sell (legally) detectors... At the moment we registering non-profit organisation to do this. Also, we have to find enough founds to deploy first batch of detectors - it is can cost us up to 3k Euro (in my calculation - for 100 detectors)... Ps. Donate button is available on main page ;) ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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Kenneth Larsen Send message Joined: 20 Jun 11 Posts: 22 Credit: 442,499 RAC: 64	Message 83 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 14:46:34 UTC
	Wouldn't it be better to let us pre-order the detectors? Sorry, but I for one won't donate when I have to pay 30€ for the detector, that in my opinion is enough of a donation ;) I will however pre-order if the postage + packaging is reasonable!
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 84 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 15:09:50 UTC - in response to Message 83.
	Pre-order is a good idea, but until we not have manufacturer we don't know end-user price. At the moment we know only how much cost all elements in detector (Price for Geiger tube is various in time - so we can check it at buying time). ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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Dagorath Send message Joined: 4 Jul 11 Posts: 151 Credit: 42,738 RAC: 0	Message 86 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 19:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 82.
	Also, we have to find enough founds to deploy first batch of detectors - it is can cost us up to 3k Euro (in my calculation - for 100 detectors)... Yikes! That's a lot of money. How many detectors do you think you can afford to deploy? 100? 1000? 2000? How many would like to deploy in the next 2 years?
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 87 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 20:05:37 UTC - in response to Message 86.
	You are so sarcastic :) To get good price we have to order more than few detectors to offer it for volunteers. Simply calculation: One Attiny4313 CPU cost about 2.30GBP, 100 x Attiny4313 equal to 1.5 GBP p/pcs. Prototypes cost about GBP 50 per/pcs (and we pay that from ours pockets) but we calculate that if we order batch of min. 100 detectors price of each one dramatically drops down... You are still surprised, that we want supply min. 100 on first batch? Nobody wants to do detectors for free, we don't want to make profit on it, but we have to pay money to get it ready to send to participants... Of course if we don't find any support we just use our money.. but you can believe me or not - this is real problem for us... How many of detectors we would like supple in two years? Who knows? All depends of you :) ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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KAMCOBILL Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 4 Credit: 7 RAC: 0	Message 88 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 21:37:55 UTC - in response to Message 82.
	Currently prototypes works fine so we start looking for manufacturer for detectors. We have to also sort out some legal requirements to be able to sell (legally) detectors... At the moment we registering non-profit organisation to do this. Also, we have to find enough founds to deploy first batch of detectors - it is can cost us up to 3k Euro (in my calculation - for 100 detectors)... Ps. Donate button is available on main page ;) Thank You Much!
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Dagorath Send message Joined: 4 Jul 11 Posts: 151 Credit: 42,738 RAC: 0	Message 89 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 21:37:58 UTC - in response to Message 87.
	You are so sarcastic :) I did not intend to be sarcastic. Sorry if it appears that way. To get good price we have to order more than few detectors to offer it for volunteers. Simply calculation: One Attiny4313 CPU cost about 2.30GBP, 100 x Attiny4313 equal to 1.5 GBP p/pcs. Prototypes cost about GBP 50 per/pcs (and we pay that from ours pockets) but we calculate that if we order batch of min. 100 detectors price of each one dramatically drops down... You are still surprised, that we want supply min. 100 on first batch? When you said it would cost 3K Euros to deploy 100 detectors, I thought you meant 3K Euros just to add server side resources for every 100 detectors. I found that very surprising. Now I think you meant 3K Euros just for the cost of 100 detectors. Nobody wants to do detectors for free, we don't want to make profit on it, but we have to pay money to get it ready to send to participants... Of course if we don't find any support we just use our money.. but you can believe me or not - this is real problem for us... I understand and I believe you. I think people are very wary about nuclear radiation these days due to Chernobyl disaster and now the disaster in Japan. If you publicize this project well you will eventually have many people buying a detector.
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Message boards : Number crunching : Application versions?

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zombie67 [MM] Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 28 Credit: 838,617 RAC: 0	Message 13 - Posted: 16 Jun 2011 \| 9:04:55 UTC
	Hello! Are there plans for a windows or OSX applications? ____________ Dublin, CA Team SETI.USA
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TJM Project administrator Project developer Project tester Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 291 Credit: 1,368,818 RAC: 59	Message 15 - Posted: 16 Jun 2011 \| 9:20:09 UTC
	Windows for sure, OSX - I don't know (yet). Also keep in mind that the app won't work without hardware sensor.
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Ageless Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 5 Credit: 0 RAC: 0	Message 16 - Posted: 16 Jun 2011 \| 9:29:39 UTC - in response to Message 15.
	Do we have to buy these sensors, or is there a (finite) amount of them that the project sends out to volunteers? ____________ Jord -BOINC FAQ Service
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 19 - Posted: 16 Jun 2011 \| 10:28:32 UTC - in response to Message 16.
	As I described in other topic, we will supply detectors soon. I can't tell now, when it happen, but we doing all best to prepare all stuff ready for volunteers ASAP. ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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Dingo Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 45 Credit: 404,862 RAC: 236	Message 23 - Posted: 17 Jun 2011 \| 0:57:55 UTC - in response to Message 19.
	All my PC's are either Linux or Windows 64 bit. I attached one PC and I got the message "17/06/2011 1:51:07 PM \| Radioactive@Home \| Message from server: Radioactivity Monitor is not available for Microsoft Windows running on an AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T CPU." Most projects send 32 bit apps to 64 bit computers and they work fine. Are you going to have a Windows 64 bit version ??
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 26 - Posted: 17 Jun 2011 \| 3:49:36 UTC - in response to Message 23.
	Yes, we would like publish Windows version in next few days. ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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[P3D] Crashtest Send message Joined: 23 Jun 11 Posts: 25 Credit: 1,902,229 RAC: 719	Message 46 - Posted: 23 Jun 2011 \| 8:00:07 UTC - in response to Message 26.
	If the sensor is connected via USB we need digital signed Windows drivers too !
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 47 - Posted: 23 Jun 2011 \| 14:53:33 UTC - in response to Message 46.
	No, the detector uses default windows HID driver. ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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TJM Project administrator Project developer Project tester Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 291 Credit: 1,368,818 RAC: 59	Message 60 - Posted: 4 Jul 2011 \| 5:41:02 UTC
	Today morning I released v1.01 for Windows, as expected it works without any drivers. So far it has been tested on Windows XP 32/64 and Windows 7. Doesn't work on Windows 2000 without service packs, however it might work on Win2k SP4. I do not plan to support anything below 2k SP4 anyway (the driver kit has no support for earlier systems).
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trigggl Send message Joined: 30 Jun 11 Posts: 2 Credit: 45 RAC: 0	Message 67 - Posted: 4 Jul 2011 \| 18:56:20 UTC - in response to Message 60.
	Without the benefit of a sensor, it appears the Windows app works on Wine in Linux. The only reason I know this is because I'm a Linux user crunching some 'Windows only' projects at the moment and decided to try it.
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KAMCOBILL Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 4 Credit: 7 RAC: 0	Message 70 - Posted: 4 Jul 2011 \| 23:31:02 UTC
	Hi all, I'm running Linux, Windows 7, Vista32/Vista64 & XP. All hosts are receiving this in WU Results: <core_client_version>6.10.56</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <stderr_txt> error finding DataStore: The specified device was not found licznik: 720 or <core_client_version>6.12.33</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <stderr_txt> error finding DataStore: The specified device was not found Or something of that effect. Looks like working but no sensor so can't be sure. It does say Validated. Good sign? Thanks Bill
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 72 - Posted: 5 Jul 2011 \| 14:38:05 UTC - in response to Message 70.
	Yes, applications works fine. This project need special detector, your hosts doesn't have any so application report "error finding DataStore: The specified device was not found". ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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KAMCOBILL Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 4 Credit: 7 RAC: 0	Message 81 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 5:20:41 UTC - in response to Message 72.
	Yes, applications works fine. This project need special detector, your hosts doesn't have any so application report "error finding DataStore: The specified device was not found". How soon will we be able to get them?
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 82 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 14:25:23 UTC - in response to Message 81.
	Currently prototypes works fine so we start looking for manufacturer for detectors. We have to also sort out some legal requirements to be able to sell (legally) detectors... At the moment we registering non-profit organisation to do this. Also, we have to find enough founds to deploy first batch of detectors - it is can cost us up to 3k Euro (in my calculation - for 100 detectors)... Ps. Donate button is available on main page ;) ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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Kenneth Larsen Send message Joined: 20 Jun 11 Posts: 22 Credit: 442,499 RAC: 64	Message 83 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 14:46:34 UTC
	Wouldn't it be better to let us pre-order the detectors? Sorry, but I for one won't donate when I have to pay 30€ for the detector, that in my opinion is enough of a donation ;) I will however pre-order if the postage + packaging is reasonable!
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 84 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 15:09:50 UTC - in response to Message 83.
	Pre-order is a good idea, but until we not have manufacturer we don't know end-user price. At the moment we know only how much cost all elements in detector (Price for Geiger tube is various in time - so we can check it at buying time). ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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Dagorath Send message Joined: 4 Jul 11 Posts: 151 Credit: 42,738 RAC: 0	Message 86 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 19:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 82.
	Also, we have to find enough founds to deploy first batch of detectors - it is can cost us up to 3k Euro (in my calculation - for 100 detectors)... Yikes! That's a lot of money. How many detectors do you think you can afford to deploy? 100? 1000? 2000? How many would like to deploy in the next 2 years?
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krzyszp Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 16 Apr 11 Posts: 383 Credit: 754,646 RAC: 78	Message 87 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 20:05:37 UTC - in response to Message 86.
	You are so sarcastic :) To get good price we have to order more than few detectors to offer it for volunteers. Simply calculation: One Attiny4313 CPU cost about 2.30GBP, 100 x Attiny4313 equal to 1.5 GBP p/pcs. Prototypes cost about GBP 50 per/pcs (and we pay that from ours pockets) but we calculate that if we order batch of min. 100 detectors price of each one dramatically drops down... You are still surprised, that we want supply min. 100 on first batch? Nobody wants to do detectors for free, we don't want to make profit on it, but we have to pay money to get it ready to send to participants... Of course if we don't find any support we just use our money.. but you can believe me or not - this is real problem for us... How many of detectors we would like supple in two years? Who knows? All depends of you :) ____________ Regards, Krzysztof 'krzyszp' Piszczek Android Radioactive@Home Map Android Radioactive@Home Map - donated My Workplace
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KAMCOBILL Send message Joined: 16 Jun 11 Posts: 4 Credit: 7 RAC: 0	Message 88 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 21:37:55 UTC - in response to Message 82.
	Currently prototypes works fine so we start looking for manufacturer for detectors. We have to also sort out some legal requirements to be able to sell (legally) detectors... At the moment we registering non-profit organisation to do this. Also, we have to find enough founds to deploy first batch of detectors - it is can cost us up to 3k Euro (in my calculation - for 100 detectors)... Ps. Donate button is available on main page ;) Thank You Much!
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Dagorath Send message Joined: 4 Jul 11 Posts: 151 Credit: 42,738 RAC: 0	Message 89 - Posted: 8 Jul 2011 \| 21:37:58 UTC - in response to Message 87.
	You are so sarcastic :) I did not intend to be sarcastic. Sorry if it appears that way. To get good price we have to order more than few detectors to offer it for volunteers. Simply calculation: One Attiny4313 CPU cost about 2.30GBP, 100 x Attiny4313 equal to 1.5 GBP p/pcs. Prototypes cost about GBP 50 per/pcs (and we pay that from ours pockets) but we calculate that if we order batch of min. 100 detectors price of each one dramatically drops down... You are still surprised, that we want supply min. 100 on first batch? When you said it would cost 3K Euros to deploy 100 detectors, I thought you meant 3K Euros just to add server side resources for every 100 detectors. I found that very surprising. Now I think you meant 3K Euros just for the cost of 100 detectors. Nobody wants to do detectors for free, we don't want to make profit on it, but we have to pay money to get it ready to send to participants... Of course if we don't find any support we just use our money.. but you can believe me or not - this is real problem for us... I understand and I believe you. I think people are very wary about nuclear radiation these days due to Chernobyl disaster and now the disaster in Japan. If you publicize this project well you will eventually have many people buying a detector.
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