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Message 293 - Posted: 6 Oct 2011 | 16:28:15 UTC
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Sorry about delay but during the tests in Prypiat our fellow found a bug in firmware which caused in freezing the value at the LCD or even show values under zero. Now when this bug is fixed and sensors passed all the tests I can send it to you.
Everybody who ordered the sensor should have the device before the end of October.

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Message 294 - Posted: 6 Oct 2011 | 19:21:25 UTC

Will you be sending us a shipping code so we can track the package?

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Message 295 - Posted: 6 Oct 2011 | 20:12:34 UTC
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I will be send by ordinary post-office, not a courier becouse of costs (about 3.50 euro by post-office as a registered letter vs 25 or even 50 euro by courier as a parcel).

Polish PO tracking page -> Here

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Message 388 - Posted: 27 Oct 2011 | 11:23:16 UTC

Has anyone in the US received their package yet ?

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Message 389 - Posted: 27 Oct 2011 | 12:26:23 UTC - in response to Message 388.

Has anyone in the US received their package yet ?


Looking at the charts page I don't see anything west of Europe yet, so I guess not. I only got mine in the UK a few days ago.

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Message 390 - Posted: 27 Oct 2011 | 12:28:44 UTC - in response to Message 388.

Has anyone in the US received their package yet ?


p.s. Looks like I'm staying at #1 in the UK for a while longer. Never mind, you are #2. Out of 2. Or *last* as we call it :P

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Message 391 - Posted: 27 Oct 2011 | 12:48:38 UTC

Yeah, and no way to catch up without more detectors :)

That's an interesting spike on your graph today.....

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Message 392 - Posted: 27 Oct 2011 | 14:48:38 UTC - in response to Message 389.

Looking at the charts page I don't see anything west of Europe yet, so I guess not. I only got mine in the UK a few days ago.

Sorry, but you can find two detectors in Germany, one in Spain and one in UK (and obviously two: Netherlands and Belgium as prototypes and main in UK as well).

Be patient, deliveries not always are quick...
Still on its way 24 in Germany, few in Canada and USA...
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Message 393 - Posted: 27 Oct 2011 | 15:13:07 UTC
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I want such a detector too ^^

Im living in Austria/Vienna, what i must do to get it, and how much (in Euros plz ;)) i must minimum donate?

We are a AKW free country, but neighborcountry has a AKW next to Vienna (only 100km distance)

How i connect the detector? Has it USB or does it need Serial or something?

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Message 395 - Posted: 27 Oct 2011 | 15:32:56 UTC - in response to Message 391.

That's an interesting spike on your graph today.....


Yes, I'm trying to work out when it happened. I think it was after I posted or I'd have seen it.

Not sure what the sample interval is ... 1 minute perhaps?

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Message 396 - Posted: 27 Oct 2011 | 15:35:01 UTC - in response to Message 395.

One sample is ABOUT 35 seconds...
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Message 397 - Posted: 27 Oct 2011 | 15:44:06 UTC - in response to Message 396.

One sample is ABOUT 35 seconds...


Thanks :)

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Message 398 - Posted: 27 Oct 2011 | 16:30:37 UTC

Actually it's 40s unless debug is switched on, then it's 20s.

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Message 486 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011 | 13:16:53 UTC - in response to Message 388.

Has anyone in the US received their package yet ?

I am in California. Nothing delivered yet.
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Message 487 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011 | 14:55:05 UTC

I think they are via rowboat :)

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Message 488 - Posted: 5 Nov 2011 | 15:13:51 UTC - in response to Message 487.

I think they are via rowboat :)

To California by boat via Panama Canal or by Pony Express over the Rockies?
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Message 501 - Posted: 8 Nov 2011 | 3:07:23 UTC

How big of a package is it being delivered in? Maybe it was a box too big for my mail box, and was delivered to my door, and then stolen?
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Message 503 - Posted: 8 Nov 2011 | 5:13:55 UTC - in response to Message 501.

Images in the My Detector thread in the Cafe give a good indication of size. Add a little more for packaging material and you might have about 6" X 6" X 4". My mailbox can hold 5 that size so I know I haven't missed delivery. Probably the packages to Canada and USA are just sitting in customs waiting for clearance.

Uh oh, just thought of something... Moammar Gaddadfi Duck had a Polish nurse. That means there must be Islamist extremists, al Qaeda and WMD in Poland. That device could pass for a detonator. You're goin to Gitmo until you confess. Can I have your Macs?

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Message 523 - Posted: 18 Nov 2011 | 19:28:39 UTC

6 weeks and nothing... bordering on the ridiculous.

I'm just about giving up on these ever arriving now.

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Message 526 - Posted: 18 Nov 2011 | 23:59:15 UTC - in response to Message 523.

I would think if customs had them, they would send a message somewhere to the tune of WTF is this? You did the paperwork wrong, this can't get in, something for you to see there is a problem.

I have had stuff 'stopped' before and they always got in contact with the shipper / sender or both essentially saying; "these are your choices, what do you want to do?".

Tracking gets difficult at best when you start crossing borders, even between US to Canada they can get spotty with it.

I hope they show up soon, it would be a shame to see the project run into a problem over something stupid like US customs idiots.

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Message 527 - Posted: 19 Nov 2011 | 0:38:03 UTC - in response to Message 523.

6 weeks and nothing... bordering on the ridiculous.

I'm just about giving up on these ever arriving now.


If they haven't arrived in the UK by now then something is seriously wrong. I think I'll just order the parts and wire it up on perf board. I've learned this lesson before, if the package can't be tracked it never arrives.

Does anybody know if the packages were insured? Is there any possibility of receiving a refund?


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Message 528 - Posted: 19 Nov 2011 | 2:41:46 UTC

Dagorath, I'm in the US (though originally from the UK).

My thoughts exactly on customs, one way or another we should have heard something.

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Message 529 - Posted: 19 Nov 2011 | 3:40:32 UTC - in response to Message 527.

Dagorath, I kind of doubt the packages were insured. From overseas the price if they were would probably be triple, because of the reasons you just mentioned. You are in Canada right? Would not surprise me if our customs was playing who is stupider with your customs and that is why the stuff isn't getting where it belongs.

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Message 530 - Posted: 19 Nov 2011 | 4:45:49 UTC - in response to Message 529.

Triple because of insurance? No way. Do the math... you're saying an item worth $50 would cost $100 to insure against loss. Pay twice what the item is worth to insure it against loss in a system that rarely loses anything? Ridiculous!!!

I've insured packages against loss many, many times and the Canada Post rate is $1 per $500 declared value to any destination in the world. If the Polish postal service charged triple that rate the detectors would cost $3 to insure.

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Message 531 - Posted: 19 Nov 2011 | 5:44:25 UTC

Customs rules can be different for every country.

I don't import a lot, but I occasionally at work send stuff out. I had a problem once sending package to Bermuda. It sat in Bermuda customs about 14 days before it was returned. Customer could never get an answer from there where his package was or what the holdup was, this was using a major carrier with tracking number and it was sent next day delivery, so it was urgent. Later to find out the invoice was not hand written, it was one of our computer generated. They do not accept packages with a typed invoice, handwritten only. How silly is that.

Recently to i've read that the U.K. I think it was had a limit on "ink cartridges" in one box.

Thinking on this now, if US customs x-rays the package, it is going to look very suspicious. It will have a timer looking device and a small metal tube. Red flag that one. Possibly they might think it is an explosive device, regardless of what any paperwork says. It can get stuck somewhere isolated, sit for a long time until someone feels like opening it carefully to inspect by hand the items trying to determine what it is. It might be fortunate that there is no battery attached but lack of a professional printed instruction manual might make it harder to determine it's purpose.

Yes they should contact someone, but packages can sit for a long time before they have time to look at them and make that attempt. As in the case of my Bermuda pacakge, why did it take them 10 days to decide it did not have hand written paperwork on it. Certainly that could have been done immediately and it returned same day, not 10 days later. So for any reason a package can be delayed in customs.

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Message 532 - Posted: 19 Nov 2011 | 9:26:41 UTC - in response to Message 531.

If Canadian or US customs had even the slightest suspicion that the package might be a bomb there would be a bomb squad with an explosives sniffing dog there within minutes. There is not a snow ball's chance in hell that they would toss the package in a corner and ignore it because lives are at stake, their lives. An explosives expert would see immediately that the tube is far too light to contain an explosive. Also, nobody builds a programmable timer/detonator with a transformer and a buzzer on it and terrorists don't build such a circuit anyway, they pull one out of a microwave oven or buy a kitchen timer for a couple bucks and adapt it. Make a nice PCB just to get blown up? Not likely. A bomb theory would last about 10 minutes, if that.

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Message 534 - Posted: 19 Nov 2011 | 10:47:21 UTC - in response to Message 532.


I see your point on what you think on the insurance but you are looking at it from a hard tangible point of view. In this case yes, why would I pay 70 bucks to insure something only worth 50 it don't make sense.

Now lets say that something belonged to YOU in the first place, and there really is no replacement part or replacement item readily available. If it gets lost there is going to be hell trying to find one somewhere, in that case yes the insurance might make sense because it's well.... insuring there are extra eyes on this thing to make sure it gets where it belongs. If it does get lost, the onus is more on the carrier to 'find it' or refund the money than on me since technically *I* was not the one who lost it.

What if I am sending you a package of vital information or something? Yes the paper and ink might be only worth a 5 bucks but the time to put it together, the intellectual data perhaps? Again yes this might become worth while to insure it.

Finally, once a package leaves the states / canada, the rules and responsibility for lack of a better term change dramatically. We may complain about our postal systems here in the US and Canada but for what they are, they are actually pretty good compared to some other places.

The postal service or UPS may be able to insure a package here for a small fraction of the value because it's in their hands pretty much the entire trip, they have a solid custody chain. Send it to Kazakhstan now and and it might have to be signed over to another carrier, who doesn't really have a tight tracking like we do. Either way, you are going to have to pay a lot of extra people to keep an eye on it, that costs money.

I have had UPS tell me, you want tracking, once it leaves the country, pretty much all bets are off on tracking, it gets lost once it leaves our borders and good luck. They would only offer 'insurance' 'tracking' on it if I sent it priority or overnight as well. THAT is expensive!!

On the boom thing, yes, if they even thought it was something dangerous, they'd be looking at it real fast, not to mention the sender would have someone visiting them real fast too.

Let's hope they can find something out fairly fast and you guys get your packages soon.

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Message 536 - Posted: 19 Nov 2011 | 22:23:16 UTC - in response to Message 534.

Just got back from Canada Post a minute ago so this is not old rates.

Package, weight = 1 pound, to Somalia, won't ship to Somalia at any price, probably because they haven't had a government for 20 years.

Same package to Kenya (Somalia's neighbor), not a developed country but they at least have an army big enough to kick some Somalian jihadist rebel butt on weekdays (but not weekends, that's overtime), cost $17.28 which includes loss/damage insurance up to a value of $100, $1000 insured value for an additional $1 cost. Cost with no insurance is $17.28.

Same package to Poland, a developed country, cost $16.97 which includes loss/damage insurance up to a value of $100, $1000 insured value for additional $1 cost. Cost with no insurance is $16.97.

All rates are for surface mail which means over land by truck and over water by air.

Postal insurance is not a big, expensive deal. It does not take a lot of eyes to watch/track/guard the parcel. It goes into a bag with all the other insured or not insured parcels, gets loaded on a truck with a locked door and off it goes, no big expense involved, nobody riding shotgun, not even to Kenya. One of the project admins said the detectors were shipped by registered mail which I assume means the same thing it means in Canada, that there will be documentation stating whether it was or was not delivered.

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Message 537 - Posted: 19 Nov 2011 | 22:33:30 UTC - in response to Message 536.
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I don't really believe, that all parcels to USA (5) and one to Canada are missing - this is not possible...
Szopler will go on Monday to post office to make compliant (or get more info).
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Message 538 - Posted: 19 Nov 2011 | 23:38:57 UTC - in response to Message 537.

Were the parcels insured?

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Message 539 - Posted: 20 Nov 2011 | 2:46:55 UTC - in response to Message 537.

Krzy I do hope you are right, but if they are being held in customs, if you shipped them all the same day, they most likely arrived at customs the same day and then yes, they easily all could have been detained. They might have even arrived in the same bag from your country. As for the one Canada package, I can not offer a logical explanation that I have experienced, or would have genuine knowledge about, but do say, maybe US was first stop, canada second. Since the US got 5, Canada 1, logistics might have said, send them all to new york... as an example, then the one from there, put on a truck to canada. Maybe Our customs grabbed it?

Dagorath, I was talking about UPS, but then again, the last time I talked to them about overseas shipments, it was probably close to 5 years ago now. Im not saying you are wrong, just what I went through when I tried to ship some stuff before. It's good to see that there are other options that are not stupid insane priced. Thank you for taking the time to look it up.

It will be interesting to hear what the status is on these. If they were insured, you will eventually get the money back... after a long hastle. Last time I claimed insurance for a lost package from the US Postal Service, it was nearly 8 weeks before they finally got done with their investigation and let the money loose.

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Message 541 - Posted: 20 Nov 2011 | 12:53:31 UTC - in response to Message 538.
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Were the parcels insured?


I doubt that, I'm not even sure if there is an option to insure registered mails here in Poland.
However when the registered package/mail is lost they have to pay up to 10 times the shipping cost; which is probably more than the detector is worth. At least it works like that for local shipments, I'm not sure about international.

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Message 553 - Posted: 21 Nov 2011 | 17:43:32 UTC
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Today I was at the post office and write a reclamation of six registered letters which have been sent to US and CD. They have 14 days to reply...

Sensors were sent in bubble envelope - size 14/D (180x265 mm) or 13/C (150x215 mm) - I didn't remember exactly. Thickness of the pack was about 30-35 mm.
So... 10.5 x 7.5 x 1.4 inches is probably maximal size of pack which has been sent. Weight was less than 0.1 kg.

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Message 554 - Posted: 21 Nov 2011 | 20:09:32 UTC - in response to Message 553.

So you're saying you didn't investigate the maximum size of the letter *before* sending the package and the post office accepted the letter but tossed them in the garbage because they are too big? WTF!!!!?????

What's next... you didn't put a return address on the packages so now they cannot be returned to you?

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Message 555 - Posted: 21 Nov 2011 | 20:31:05 UTC - in response to Message 554.

Post Office staff have to check parcel before they take it!!!
If they didn't (or if USA,Canada have other standard package/letter/whateower size) that's their fault...
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Message 556 - Posted: 21 Nov 2011 | 20:47:31 UTC

So tell me please how is maximal size of the letter in Canada & the US!

Because I can sent a letter which has:
"Sum of the length, width and thickness is less than 35.43", but length can not exceed 23.62" and it can weights even 2 kilograms!

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Message 557 - Posted: 21 Nov 2011 | 21:03:31 UTC - in response to Message 556.

So tell me please how is maximal size of the letter in Canada & the US!

Because I can sent a letter which has:
"Sum of the length, width and thickness is less than 35.43", but length can not exceed 23.62" and it can weights even 2 kilograms!


See http://USPS.com

Here's a short cut to a page for us to send international mail, I would guess incoming packages follow similar size rules. https://www.usps.com/send/prepare-international-shipments.htm. They only have about 100 rules for sizes, shapes, classes and yada, yada, yada. I'm not sure they even understand them.

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Message 558 - Posted: 21 Nov 2011 | 21:09:11 UTC - in response to Message 557.



See http://USPS.com

Here's a short cut to a page for us to send international mail, I would guess incoming packages follow similar size rules. https://www.usps.com/send/prepare-international-shipments.htm. They only have about 100 rules for sizes, shapes, classes and yada, yada, yada. I'm not sure they even understand them.

Only 100???
That can't be that easy ;)

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Message 559 - Posted: 21 Nov 2011 | 22:29:19 UTC - in response to Message 558.

I just get confirmation that one parcel arrive to USA...
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Message 560 - Posted: 22 Nov 2011 | 0:57:21 UTC - in response to Message 556.

So tell me please how is maximal size of the letter in Canada & the US!

Because I can sent a letter which has:
"Sum of the length, width and thickness is less than 35.43", but length can not exceed 23.62" and it can weights even 2 kilograms!


Sorry, from your previous post it seemed like nobody checked the parcel dimensions, not even the post office. I don't know the rules in Canada but I know they weigh and measure each parcel, input the numbers into a computer and the computer decides if the parcel can go as a registered letter. As Keith says, even the post office employess don't know the rules but the computer does.

@ Krzysztof,

Thank your the news about the US parcel. Now there is hope.

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Message 561 - Posted: 22 Nov 2011 | 3:07:36 UTC - in response to Message 559.

I just get confirmation that one parcel arrive to USA...


Good news! When did it arrive? Just now? Or a long time ago?

Also, was I one of the 5 USA customers?
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Message 562 - Posted: 22 Nov 2011 | 12:11:14 UTC - in response to Message 561.

"Just last week" - that's all what I know.
And yes, it was one of 5 ;)
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Message 565 - Posted: 23 Nov 2011 | 17:50:31 UTC - in response to Message 562.

Generally, worse case, IF the package was 'too big' for a certain category, ie you were 5 cm too long or something stupid like that, they would just tack on the extra postage and it would be 'postage due' at the receivers end. The person getting it would have to give the post office their 13 cents for the letter :x

With everything computerized nowadays though, I do not think this will be an issue, because 'the computer' knows what sizes goto where and what rate to charge.

It's just dragging through the customs. I would have a feeling, that with christmas, (yes I know it's in december) but folks start shipping early, that the post offices are getting busier with parcels and that might be adding to the delay as well unless you selected a priority method of shipment.

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Message 567 - Posted: 28 Nov 2011 | 2:44:12 UTC - in response to Message 294.

Well I ordered one back in July 2011 via paypal in the amount of 40 EUROs. Still have not received anything as of 11/27.


Could you check on this and email me, please.

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Message 569 - Posted: 29 Nov 2011 | 0:00:35 UTC

My detector arrived today (Canada) and it seems to be working properly.

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Message 570 - Posted: 29 Nov 2011 | 23:04:35 UTC

Oh, I see a green dot appeared in Canada on the map.

Nothing showing in the US yet.

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Message 571 - Posted: 30 Nov 2011 | 2:34:35 UTC - in response to Message 570.

I feel that rest of detectors arrive no later then next week, if not I will send money back to users who don't get it...
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Message 572 - Posted: 30 Nov 2011 | 7:05:46 UTC - in response to Message 569.
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Dagorath > Congrats for the first point in America !

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Message 573 - Posted: 1 Dec 2011 | 3:14:29 UTC - in response to Message 572.

Thanks, otax, I am proud to be on the map. For anybody in America still waiting for their detector... I don't think my package was opened by anybody for inspection, eg. customs officers, so the reason for the delay is still a mystery to me. Hope to see some green dots in USA soon.

Btw, Szopler did a very good job building and soldering the detectors. Very nice solder joints! I inspected with a magnifying glass and they are flawless.

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Message 580 - Posted: 7 Dec 2011 | 2:37:19 UTC

Still nothing here. Has anyone else in the US received theirs? Two months is ridiculous. One could drive three times around the planet at 60mph in that time.
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Message 581 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011 | 9:38:44 UTC - in response to Message 580.

Ok.
If tommorow parcels not arrive than these persons who doesn't wait any more send me info via PM, I will send money back immediately.

I have no idea what gone wrong and apologise about that...
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Message 582 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011 | 18:33:19 UTC - in response to Message 581.

FWIW, I've been waiting for some electronic components from China for 3 months now. Reputable supplier that I've used before, usually get the items in 2 weeks or less.

Maybe customs around the world are being more careful/stupid/paranoid about electronics.

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Message 583 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011 | 22:30:46 UTC

Hold your horses.

I didn't get mine yet, BUT, i did get a notice about a registered mail from "M.Szoplik". i have to go to the post office tomorrow to pick it up. The registered number ends in "PL", could that be Poland ?

Stay tuned....

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Message 584 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011 | 22:43:18 UTC

Ding!

It arrived today! Yea!

Now, how do I use it? I see where I plug in the USB cable. But how do I attach the tube? Are there instructions somewhere?
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Message 585 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011 | 22:59:01 UTC - in response to Message 584.

Ding!

It arrived today! Yea!

Now, how do I use it? I see where I plug in the USB cable. But how do I attach the tube? Are there instructions somewhere?

How about the Detector Assembly Manual ?
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Message 586 - Posted: 8 Dec 2011 | 23:34:14 UTC
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Thanks! I didn't know that other site even existed. Is there anything on the BOINC site that points out that other site?

In any case, is there anything with pictures? The instructions are a bit vague. It talks about the "right side", and I want to be sure which side they are talking about. A picture would make that impossible to misinterpret.

Edit: Also, I am having a hard time understanding this part:

The next step is to connect the GM tube which is a part of our radiation detection. Two wires (preferably in different colors or with alligator clips in different colors to distinguish them) must be connected to the blue screw connector marked CON3 (and the words of "GM-Tube"). The end of the tube marked '(+)' to be connected to the cable going to the ends also the marked '+', by analogy with the tip of the tube without any indication to the second cable."\


Do alligator clips go on both ends of each wire? I think not, because I am not sure how one would clip on to the connections of the blue box. I would like to see how that connection is made.

I am not trying to slam the directions. But I think there may be some translation issues. And again, a picture is universal.
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Message 587 - Posted: 9 Dec 2011 | 0:03:54 UTC - in response to Message 586.

Uffff :D

So, our USA friends would like to quickly join to current batch? :)
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Message 588 - Posted: 9 Dec 2011 | 0:08:12 UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2-bgWNswqk

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Message 589 - Posted: 9 Dec 2011 | 0:38:21 UTC - in response to Message 587.

Uffff :D

So, our USA friends would like to quickly join to current batch? :)

Is there still time? If so, yes! I know I have several team members who want to buy them. I believe KK was going to consolidate an order. Is that still a possibility?
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Message 590 - Posted: 9 Dec 2011 | 0:40:46 UTC - in response to Message 589.
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Uffff :D

So, our USA friends would like to quickly join to current batch? :)

Is there still time? If so, yes! I know I have several team members who want to buy them. I believe KK was going to consolidate an order. Is that still a possibility?

Yes, I sent to KK PM with details. From first collection day I hold 25 detectors for USA :)
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Message 591 - Posted: 9 Dec 2011 | 0:42:17 UTC - in response to Message 588.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2-bgWNswqk


Perfect! Thanks!
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Message 600 - Posted: 9 Dec 2011 | 2:09:19 UTC

Pretty sure mine has arrived too, again it's at the Post Office like KK's as I'm not at home this week. I'll pick it up monday...... :)

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Message 601 - Posted: 9 Dec 2011 | 10:11:01 UTC - in response to Message 586.

Thanks! I didn't know that other site even existed. Is there anything on the BOINC site that points out that other site?

[snip]

I am not trying to slam the directions. But I think there may be some translation issues. And again, a picture is universal.

There's a thread about it:
Assembly manual available

Unfortunately it's a bit crammed with discussions about the lethality of 400VDC with minuscle Amperes ;)
But the very first and very last post show you the way to a) the manual and b) the video.
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Message 602 - Posted: 9 Dec 2011 | 11:18:37 UTC - in response to Message 591.

And I see @zombie67's green dot on the map:)

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